Vladimir Dronnikov dronnikov at gmail.com
Sun Jan 9 15:08:11 UTC 2011

Thanks a lot!

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Rob Landley <rob at landley.net> wrote:
> On Thursday 06 January 2011 04:07:39 Peter Korsgaard wrote:
>> >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Landley <rob at landley.net> writes:
>>  Rob> The solution embedded people use is either:
>>  Rob> 1) Use a jtag to reflash the device, so no matter how bricked it
>>  Rob> gets it can be externally driven by shouting "clear", applying
>>  Rob> paddles, and hooking it up to an IV drip.
>>  Rob> 2) Have a small bootloader in its own flash erase block (or actual
>>  Rob> ROM) that never gets overwritten and is capable of loading and
>>  Rob> booting something from network or serial or some such, so you
>>  Rob> always have a fallback recovery option.
>>  Rob> 3) Design the hardware to boot from an SD card, so you can unbrick
>> your Rob> embedded device the same way you unbrick a PC, by inserting a
>> boot disk.
>> 4) Use a bootloader and a store everything else double. Use a ping/pong
>> system so you never overwrite what you are currently using. Fall back to
>> the previous system in the bootloader if the new system fails.
> Heh, I did that on my first embedded system for weboffice back in 2001.  (The
> "lilo -R" option was something grub _still_ can't do.  Yeah an interactive
> shell is great, but not so much on a headless box being updated remotely.)
> The cheaper embedded devices don't have resources to waste on duplicate copies
> of stuff, but moore's law marches on.  (Then again I'm still waiting for cereal
> boxes that update a "writeable paper" style display on the front every 30
> seconds using a 386-equivalent proccessor driven by a watch battery.
> Disposable computing is only a matter of time...)
> Rob
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